John 1:31:
This seems to be in the same time:
In other terms, the original claim was that the John the Baptist saw Jesus in the glory of a god.
Something happened: by mistake or by intention, this John's meeting with a celestial (Son of) Man was reduced to a mere physical meeting between two men.
When Celsus accused:
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04161.htm
...Celsus, victim as he was of the reductionist view of the meeting between Jesus and John (as a mere meeting between two men), couldn't be able to explain to himself how a so minimalist event could be accompanied by such celestial prodiges. The solution of this contradiction is that the accompanied prodiges were the traces of the original view of John "seeing" (hallucinating) Jesus as the Son of Man.
Hence both the two hypotheses have to be examined, i.e.:
The logion of Matthew 11:12:
...seems to be a drammatic complaint by Christian mythicists about the tragical effects of the misunderstanding of the witness by John the Baptist: the truth is that he didn't witness a man but a god, and the result of the mistake was that the people believed that Jesus was appeared recently as a real man in Judea and therefore they attributed to him human "too much human" attributes or views.
I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.
This seems to be in the same time:
- a denial of what is told in Mark about Jesus having been seen/known by John;
- a reiterated claim of the role held by John: as witness of a new revelation.
In other terms, the original claim was that the John the Baptist saw Jesus in the glory of a god.
Something happened: by mistake or by intention, this John's meeting with a celestial (Son of) Man was reduced to a mere physical meeting between two men.
When Celsus accused:
When you were bathing, says the Jew, beside John, you say that what had the appearance of a bird from the air alighted upon you. And then this same Jew of his, continuing his interrogations, asks, What credible witness beheld this appearance? Or who heard a voice from heaven declaring you to be the Son of God? What proof is there of it, save your own assertion, and the statement of another of those individuals who have been punished along with you?
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04161.htm
...Celsus, victim as he was of the reductionist view of the meeting between Jesus and John (as a mere meeting between two men), couldn't be able to explain to himself how a so minimalist event could be accompanied by such celestial prodiges. The solution of this contradiction is that the accompanied prodiges were the traces of the original view of John "seeing" (hallucinating) Jesus as the Son of Man.
Hence both the two hypotheses have to be examined, i.e.:
- What if the reduction of a revelation to a meeting was a mere mistake?
- What if the reduction of a revelation to a meeting was deliberate?
The logion of Matthew 11:12:
From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force
...seems to be a drammatic complaint by Christian mythicists about the tragical effects of the misunderstanding of the witness by John the Baptist: the truth is that he didn't witness a man but a god, and the result of the mistake was that the people believed that Jesus was appeared recently as a real man in Judea and therefore they attributed to him human "too much human" attributes or views.
Statistics: Posted by Giuseppe — Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:29 pm