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Christian Texts and History • Re: wilderness = order (?)

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The Greek interlinear has ἔρημον - erēmon - in Mk 1:12 and ἐρήμῳ - erēmō - (Strongs 2048) in Mk:13 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/mark/1.htm

Strongs says it's an Adjective : "of a person: deserted, abandoned, desolate"


Thayer's Greek Lexicon

1. adjective solitary, lonely, desolate, uninhabited: of places, Matthew 14:13, 15; Mark 1:35; Mark 6:32; Luke 4:42; Luke 9:10 (R G L), ; Acts 1:20, etc.; ἡ ὁδός, leading through a desert, Acts 8:26 (2 Samuel 2:24 the Sept.), see Γάζα, under the end of persons: "deserted by others; deprived of the aid and protection of others, especially of friends, acquaintances, kindred; bereft"; (so often by Greek writers of every age, as Aeschylus Ag. 862; Pers. 734; Aristophanes pax 112; ἔρημος τέ καί ὑπό πάντων καταλειφθείς, Herodian, 2, 12, 12 (7 edition, Bekker); of a flock deserted by the shepherd, Homer, Iliad 5, 140): γυνή, a woman neglected by her husband, from whom the husband withholds himself, Galatians 4:27, from Isaiah 54:1; of Jerusalem, bereft of Christ's presence, instruction and aid, Matthew 23:38 (L and WH texts omit); Luke 13:35 Rec.; cf. Bleek, Erklär. d. drei ersten Evv. ii., p. 206 (cf. Baruch 4:19; Additions to (6:13); 2 Macc. 8:35).

2. a substantive, ἡ ἔρημος, namely, χώρα; the Sept. often for מִדְבַּר; a desert, wilderness (Herodotus 3, 102): Matthew 24:26; Revelation 12:6, 14; Revelation 17:3; αἱ ἔρημοι, desert places, lonely regions: Luke 1:80; Luke 5:16; Luke 8:29. an uncultivated region fit for pasturage, Luke 15:4. used of the desert of Judaea (cf. Winer's Grammar, § 18, 1), Matthew 3:1; Mark 1:3; Luke 1:80; Luke 3:2, 4; John 1:23; of the desert of Arabia, Acts 7:30, 36, 38, 42, 44; 1 Corinthians 10:5; Hebrews 3:8, 17. Cf. Winers RWB under the word Wüste; Furrer in Sehenkel see 680ff; (B. D., see under the words, and (American edition)).

https://biblehub.com/greek/2048.htm


  • From Thayer's^

    .ἡ ὁδός, leading through a desert, Acts 8:26 (2 Samuel 2:24 the Sept.)

    I don't get that^: ἡ ὁδός = road [or 'the way'], but Acts 8:26 simply finishes αὕτη ἐστὶν ἔρημος : 'this is [the] desert'
    • (which is oh so topical because in Acts 8:26 'this is [the] desert' is wrt to Γάζα ie., Gaza)

  • The Hebrew version of 2 Samuel 2:24 has מִדְבַּ֥ר - miḏ·bar - the Wilderness [of Gibon/Gibeon/Geba (which I presume = Gaza)]
    • מִדְבַּ֥ר / miḏ·bar:


      Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

      desert, south, speech, wilderness

      From dabar in the sense of driving; a pasture (i.e. Open field, whither cattle are driven); by implication, a desert; also speech (including its organs) -- [so (reordered)] speech, desert, south, wilderness.

      https://biblehub.com/hebrew/4057.htm


      • Which is not as explicit as the OP above:


        ... מדבר, midvar (Strong's #4057), mean[s] a "wilderness".
        In the ancient Hebrew mind the wilderness, in contrast to the cities, is a place of order.

        https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/definition/word.htm


        Like the Hebrew noun דבר (davar, Strong's #1697), translated as "word", midvar (מדבר) is derived from a parent root, דר (DR), which means "order."


Statistics: Posted by MrMacSon — Fri Mar 15, 2024 4:03 pm



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