So the 'dog' barked after all and identified the murderer. Pilate, Rome's representative in Judaea, gave the order, gave permission, for the execution, crucifixion, murder, of Jesus. The core of the gospel story referenced, acknowledged by a Jewish historian.
That Josephus said nothing, that the 'dog' did not bark, might suit some Jesus mythicists - but I don't understand why Jesus historicists would want to run with this idea. By all means check the TF for obvious Christian ideas - but even if Josephus used Christian ideas his use would have no ability to turn water into wine ie - referencing the gospel story is just that - referencing the gospel storyline. It does not grant historicity to that story.
The issue is not the TF - the issue is not what percentage of it's words can be rejected as Christian apologetics - the issue is the gospel story and how that story is interpreted. Interpreted as referencing a historical Jesus (of whatever variant) or interpreted as an allegory of Hasmonean and Roman history.
The interpretation, that of the Jesus historicists, has had a long run - and will continue to run -
and thereby continue to be a road block to researching early christian origins. The second approach, that the gospel story is an allegory of Hasmonean and Roman history - that is an interpretation that allows the Jewish/Hasmonean historian, Josephus, to play a primary part in research.
The Eusebius whole cloth TF interpolation needs to be withdrawn - giving Josephus a Eusebius passcard closes the only road that leads forward.
That Josephus said nothing, that the 'dog' did not bark, might suit some Jesus mythicists - but I don't understand why Jesus historicists would want to run with this idea. By all means check the TF for obvious Christian ideas - but even if Josephus used Christian ideas his use would have no ability to turn water into wine ie - referencing the gospel story is just that - referencing the gospel storyline. It does not grant historicity to that story.
The issue is not the TF - the issue is not what percentage of it's words can be rejected as Christian apologetics - the issue is the gospel story and how that story is interpreted. Interpreted as referencing a historical Jesus (of whatever variant) or interpreted as an allegory of Hasmonean and Roman history.
The interpretation, that of the Jesus historicists, has had a long run - and will continue to run -
and thereby continue to be a road block to researching early christian origins. The second approach, that the gospel story is an allegory of Hasmonean and Roman history - that is an interpretation that allows the Jewish/Hasmonean historian, Josephus, to play a primary part in research.
The Eusebius whole cloth TF interpolation needs to be withdrawn - giving Josephus a Eusebius passcard closes the only road that leads forward.
‘’The first century CE is like an ancient monument. It is a place of interest with riches that the visitor wants to stand among, their ambience to imbibe. Unfortunately, access to the site is limited to one point of entry. Most of the sources only provide a mere glimpse of the site. The only point of entry which allows you to view the site from within is the narrative of Josephus. The problem is that, once inside, we are offered an ‘official’ guided tour of the site. Josephus takes us to the various locations that he deems are the highlights. Our excitement at entering the site, therefore, is balanced by the requirements of Josephus that he shows us the official tour. It is time we left the official tour party. We have been given access to the site by Josephus but to ensure we are able to explore its contents in detail we must stand apart from him. As such, our visit to the site may take more time than the official tour program allows. But who wants to stay on a tour that does not let you stop and take your own pictures?
James S. McLaren: Turbulent Times? Josephus and Scholarship on Judaea in the First Century CE.
James S. McLaren: Turbulent Times? Josephus and Scholarship on Judaea in the First Century CE.
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