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One possible way to render it:
ANF translation:
I don't have Unger's more recent translation of book 3 of Adv. Haer.
nūdus: a, um, adj. for nugdus; root nag-, nig-, to make bare; Sanscr. nagna, naked; cf. Germ. nackt; Eng. naked,
I naked, bare, unclothed, uncovered, exposed.
I Lit.
A In gen.: membra nuda dabant terrae, Lucr. 5, 970 Lachm. N. cr. (not nudabant): tamquam nudus nuces legeret, in ventrem abstulisse, Cic. de Or. 2, 66, 265: nudus membra Pyracmon, Verg. A. 8, 425: nuda pedem, Ov. M. 7, 183: capite nudo, bareheaded, Sall. J. 94, 1: pedibus nudis, Hor. S. 1, 8, 24: costae nudae tegmine, Sil. 5, 449.—Esp., without the toga, in one's tunic: nudus ara, sere nudus, Verg. G. 1, 299; Petr. 92; Aur. Vict. Vir. Illustr. 17; cf. Drak. ad Liv. 3, 26, 9.—Unarmed, unprotected: in maximo metu nudum et caecum corpus ad hostes vortere, his defenceless back, Sall. J. 107, 1; Liv. 5, 45, 3.—Prov.: vestimenta detrahere nudo, i. e. to get something out of one who has nothing, or to draw blood from a stone, Plaut. As. 1, 1, 79.—Of things: silex nuda, not covered with turf, Verg. E. 1, 15: ensis, id. A. 12, 306: sedit humo nudā, Ov. M. 4, 261: et quodcumque jacet nudā tellure cadaver, on the bare ground, unburied, Luc. 6, 550; so of unburied bodies, id. 8, 434; Stat. Th. 8, 73: nudum nemus, leafless, Sen. Herc. Oet. 281.—
(b) With gen.: loca nuda gignentium, bare of vegetation, Sall. J. 79, 6: nudus Arboris Othrys, Ov. M. 12, 512. —
B In partic.
1 Stripped, spoiled, vacant, void, deprived, or destitute of, without.
(a) With abl.: urbs nuda praesidio, Cic. Att. 7, 13, 1: praesidiis, Liv. 29, 4, 7: nudus agris, nudus nummis, Hor. S. 2, 3, 184: nudum remigio latus, id. C. 1, 14, 4; Sil. 16, 46.—
(b) With ab: Messana ab his rebus sane vacua atque nuda est, Cic. Verr. 2, 4, 2, § 3.—
(g) With gen.: mors famae nuda, Sil. 4, 608.—
(d) Absol.: heri quod homines quattuor In soporem conlocāstis nudos, Plaut. Am. 1, 1, 147: partem istam subselliorum nudam atque inanem reliquerunt, Cic. Cat. 1, 7, 16.—
2 Poor, needy, destitute, forlorn: quem tu semper nudum esse voluisti, Cic. Fl. 21, 51: senecta, Ov. H. 9, 154: senectus, Juv. 7, 35: quis tam nudus, ut, etc., id. 5, 163: sine amicis, sine hospitibus, plane nudum esse ac desertum, Cic. Verr. 2, 4, 66, § 148.—
II Transf.
A
1 In gen., bare, mere, pure, simple, sole, alone, only: nuda ista si ponas, judicari qualia sint non facile possim, Cic. Par. 3, 2, 24: ira Caesaris, Ov. Tr. 3, 11, 17: locorum nuda nomina, Plin. 3, praef. § 2: virtus nudo homine contenta est, Sen. Ben. 3, 18, 2: nuda rerum cognitio, Plin. Ep. 5, 8, 4: nuda virtus, Petr. 88: nudā manu captare fontem, i. e. without a cup, Sen. Hippol. alt. 519.—So freq. in jurid. Lat.: nudo animo adipisci quidem possessionem non possumus: retinere tamen nudo animo possumus, Paul. Sent. 5, tit. 2: etiam nudus consensus sufficit obligationi, Dig. 44, 7, 51; Gai. Inst. 3, 154.—
2 Esp., in phrases.
(a) Nudum pactum, a bare agreement, i. e. a contract without consideration: ex nudo enim pacto inter cives Romanos actio non nascitur, Paul. Sent. 2, 14, 1.—
(b) Nudum jus, an unexecuted right: qui nudum jus Quiritium in servo habet, is potestatem habere non intellegitur, Gai. Inst. 1, 54; 3, 166.—
B In partic.
1 Simple, unadorned: Commentarii (Caesaris) nudi sunt, recti et venusti, omni ornatu orationis tamquam veste detractā, Cic. Brut. 75, 262: brevitas nuda atque inornata, id. de Or. 2, 84, 341: quoniam dicendi facultas non debeat esse jejuna atque nuda, id. ib. 1, 50, 218: nuda et velut incompta oratio, Quint. 8, 6, 41; cf. id. 2, 4, 3; Ov. A. A. 3, 747: sedit humo nudā, nudis incompta capillis, Ov. M. 4, 261.—
2 Undisguised, unadorned, not veiled or obscured: veritas, Hor. C. 1, 24, 7: nudissima veritas, Cael. Aur. Chron. 1, 5, 176: simplex ac nuda veritas, Lact. 3, 1, 3: nuda verba, unveiled, i. e. obscene words, Plin. Ep. 4, 14, 4.—Hence, adv.: nūdē, nakedly, simply (post-class.): aliquid tradere breviter ac nude, Lact. 3, 1, 11.
I naked, bare, unclothed, uncovered, exposed.
I Lit.
A In gen.: membra nuda dabant terrae, Lucr. 5, 970 Lachm. N. cr. (not nudabant): tamquam nudus nuces legeret, in ventrem abstulisse, Cic. de Or. 2, 66, 265: nudus membra Pyracmon, Verg. A. 8, 425: nuda pedem, Ov. M. 7, 183: capite nudo, bareheaded, Sall. J. 94, 1: pedibus nudis, Hor. S. 1, 8, 24: costae nudae tegmine, Sil. 5, 449.—Esp., without the toga, in one's tunic: nudus ara, sere nudus, Verg. G. 1, 299; Petr. 92; Aur. Vict. Vir. Illustr. 17; cf. Drak. ad Liv. 3, 26, 9.—Unarmed, unprotected: in maximo metu nudum et caecum corpus ad hostes vortere, his defenceless back, Sall. J. 107, 1; Liv. 5, 45, 3.—Prov.: vestimenta detrahere nudo, i. e. to get something out of one who has nothing, or to draw blood from a stone, Plaut. As. 1, 1, 79.—Of things: silex nuda, not covered with turf, Verg. E. 1, 15: ensis, id. A. 12, 306: sedit humo nudā, Ov. M. 4, 261: et quodcumque jacet nudā tellure cadaver, on the bare ground, unburied, Luc. 6, 550; so of unburied bodies, id. 8, 434; Stat. Th. 8, 73: nudum nemus, leafless, Sen. Herc. Oet. 281.—
(b) With gen.: loca nuda gignentium, bare of vegetation, Sall. J. 79, 6: nudus Arboris Othrys, Ov. M. 12, 512. —
B In partic.
1 Stripped, spoiled, vacant, void, deprived, or destitute of, without.
(a) With abl.: urbs nuda praesidio, Cic. Att. 7, 13, 1: praesidiis, Liv. 29, 4, 7: nudus agris, nudus nummis, Hor. S. 2, 3, 184: nudum remigio latus, id. C. 1, 14, 4; Sil. 16, 46.—
(b) With ab: Messana ab his rebus sane vacua atque nuda est, Cic. Verr. 2, 4, 2, § 3.—
(g) With gen.: mors famae nuda, Sil. 4, 608.—
(d) Absol.: heri quod homines quattuor In soporem conlocāstis nudos, Plaut. Am. 1, 1, 147: partem istam subselliorum nudam atque inanem reliquerunt, Cic. Cat. 1, 7, 16.—
2 Poor, needy, destitute, forlorn: quem tu semper nudum esse voluisti, Cic. Fl. 21, 51: senecta, Ov. H. 9, 154: senectus, Juv. 7, 35: quis tam nudus, ut, etc., id. 5, 163: sine amicis, sine hospitibus, plane nudum esse ac desertum, Cic. Verr. 2, 4, 66, § 148.—
II Transf.
A
1 In gen., bare, mere, pure, simple, sole, alone, only: nuda ista si ponas, judicari qualia sint non facile possim, Cic. Par. 3, 2, 24: ira Caesaris, Ov. Tr. 3, 11, 17: locorum nuda nomina, Plin. 3, praef. § 2: virtus nudo homine contenta est, Sen. Ben. 3, 18, 2: nuda rerum cognitio, Plin. Ep. 5, 8, 4: nuda virtus, Petr. 88: nudā manu captare fontem, i. e. without a cup, Sen. Hippol. alt. 519.—So freq. in jurid. Lat.: nudo animo adipisci quidem possessionem non possumus: retinere tamen nudo animo possumus, Paul. Sent. 5, tit. 2: etiam nudus consensus sufficit obligationi, Dig. 44, 7, 51; Gai. Inst. 3, 154.—
2 Esp., in phrases.
(a) Nudum pactum, a bare agreement, i. e. a contract without consideration: ex nudo enim pacto inter cives Romanos actio non nascitur, Paul. Sent. 2, 14, 1.—
(b) Nudum jus, an unexecuted right: qui nudum jus Quiritium in servo habet, is potestatem habere non intellegitur, Gai. Inst. 1, 54; 3, 166.—
B In partic.
1 Simple, unadorned: Commentarii (Caesaris) nudi sunt, recti et venusti, omni ornatu orationis tamquam veste detractā, Cic. Brut. 75, 262: brevitas nuda atque inornata, id. de Or. 2, 84, 341: quoniam dicendi facultas non debeat esse jejuna atque nuda, id. ib. 1, 50, 218: nuda et velut incompta oratio, Quint. 8, 6, 41; cf. id. 2, 4, 3; Ov. A. A. 3, 747: sedit humo nudā, nudis incompta capillis, Ov. M. 4, 261.—
2 Undisguised, unadorned, not veiled or obscured: veritas, Hor. C. 1, 24, 7: nudissima veritas, Cael. Aur. Chron. 1, 5, 176: simplex ac nuda veritas, Lact. 3, 1, 3: nuda verba, unveiled, i. e. obscene words, Plin. Ep. 4, 14, 4.—Hence, adv.: nūdē, nakedly, simply (post-class.): aliquid tradere breviter ac nude, Lact. 3, 1, 11.
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C Neutr. absol.
1 tantum, so much, so many: habere tantum molestiae quantum gloriae...ut tantum nobis, quantum ipsi superesse posset, remitteret, Cic. Rep. 1, 4, 7: decutio argenti tantum, quantum mihi lubet, Plaut. Ep. 2, 3, 4: iis adposuit tantum, quod satis esset, nullo adparatu, Cic. Tusc. 5, 32, 91: tantum complectitur, quod satis sit modicae palaestrae, id. Leg. 2, 3, 6: eo indito cumini fricti tantum, quod oleat, Cato, R. R. 156, 3 (cf.: tantum quod, s. v. tantum, adv. B. 2. b.): Ch. Coactus reddidit ducentos et mille Philippum. Ni. Tantum debuit, Plaut. Bacch. 2, 3, 38: nec tantum Karthago habuisset opum, Cic. Rep. Fragm. ap. Non. p. 526 (1, 48, 3 B. and K.): cum tantum belli in manibus esset, Liv. 4, 57, 1: sed quid hic tantum hominum incedunt? Plaut. Poen. 3, 3, 5: tantum hostium intra muros est, Liv. 3, 17, 4 et saep.: sexies tantum, quam quantum satum sit, Cic. Verr. 2, 3, 43, § 102; cf.: etiamsi alterum tantum perdundum est, perdam, etc., Plaut. Ep. 3, 4, 81 (v. alter): tantum ... dum, Liv. 27, 42, 12; cf.: tantum modo ... dum, Sall. J. 53, 3: tantum abest, ut, etc. (v. absum). —
b In colloquial lang.: tantum est, that is all, nothing more, etc.: vos rogat, ut, etc. Tantum est. Valete, Plaut. Trin. prol. 22; so id. Cas. prol. 87: Lo. Numquid amplius? Ly. Tantum est, id. Merc. 2, 2, 12; Ter. Eun. 5, 5, 26; id. Hec. 5, 3, 15.—
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B (Acc. to tantus, II.; and therefore, prop., only so much, so little; hence) Only, alone, merely, but: tantum monet, quantum intellegit, only so much, Cic. Tusc. 2, 19, 44: tantum in latitudinem patebat, quantum loci acies instructa occupare poterat, Caes. B. G. 2, 8: quod haec tantum, quantum sensu movetur...se accommodat, etc., Cic. Off. 1, 4, 11: Socratem tantum de vitā et de moribus solitum esse quaerere, id. Rep. 1, 10, 16: nomen tantum virtutis usurpas, id. Par. 2, 17: dixit tantum: nihil ostendit, nihil protulit, id. Fl. 15, 34: notus mihi nomine tantum, Hor. S. 1, 9, 3: apte dicere non elocutionis tantum genere constat, sed, etc., Quint. 11, 1, 7; so, non tantum ... sed, id. 9, 3, 28: nec tantum ... sed (etiam), id. 3, 8, 33; 9, 3, 78; 11, 2, 5.—So with unus (mostly post-Aug.; once in Cic.): excepit unum tantum: scire se nihil se scire, nihil amplius, Cic. Ac. 2, 23, 74: unum flumen tantum intererat, Caes. B. C. 3, 19: unum defuisse tantum superbiae, Liv. 6, 16, 5; 21, 50, 6; 34, 9, 5; Just. 8, 5, 5; Cels. 5, 28, 14; Tac. A. 15, 1; Plin. 9, 35, 58, § 120.—
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C Neutr. absol.
1 tantum, so much, so many: habere tantum molestiae quantum gloriae...ut tantum nobis, quantum ipsi superesse posset, remitteret, Cic. Rep. 1, 4, 7: decutio argenti tantum, quantum mihi lubet, Plaut. Ep. 2, 3, 4: iis adposuit tantum, quod satis esset, nullo adparatu, Cic. Tusc. 5, 32, 91: tantum complectitur, quod satis sit modicae palaestrae, id. Leg. 2, 3, 6: eo indito cumini fricti tantum, quod oleat, Cato, R. R. 156, 3 (cf.: tantum quod, s. v. tantum, adv. B. 2. b.): Ch. Coactus reddidit ducentos et mille Philippum. Ni. Tantum debuit, Plaut. Bacch. 2, 3, 38: nec tantum Karthago habuisset opum, Cic. Rep. Fragm. ap. Non. p. 526 (1, 48, 3 B. and K.): cum tantum belli in manibus esset, Liv. 4, 57, 1: sed quid hic tantum hominum incedunt? Plaut. Poen. 3, 3, 5: tantum hostium intra muros est, Liv. 3, 17, 4 et saep.: sexies tantum, quam quantum satum sit, Cic. Verr. 2, 3, 43, § 102; cf.: etiamsi alterum tantum perdundum est, perdam, etc., Plaut. Ep. 3, 4, 81 (v. alter): tantum ... dum, Liv. 27, 42, 12; cf.: tantum modo ... dum, Sall. J. 53, 3: tantum abest, ut, etc. (v. absum). —
b In colloquial lang.: tantum est, that is all, nothing more, etc.: vos rogat, ut, etc. Tantum est. Valete, Plaut. Trin. prol. 22; so id. Cas. prol. 87: Lo. Numquid amplius? Ly. Tantum est, id. Merc. 2, 2, 12; Ter. Eun. 5, 5, 26; id. Hec. 5, 3, 15.—
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B (Acc. to tantus, II.; and therefore, prop., only so much, so little; hence) Only, alone, merely, but: tantum monet, quantum intellegit, only so much, Cic. Tusc. 2, 19, 44: tantum in latitudinem patebat, quantum loci acies instructa occupare poterat, Caes. B. G. 2, 8: quod haec tantum, quantum sensu movetur...se accommodat, etc., Cic. Off. 1, 4, 11: Socratem tantum de vitā et de moribus solitum esse quaerere, id. Rep. 1, 10, 16: nomen tantum virtutis usurpas, id. Par. 2, 17: dixit tantum: nihil ostendit, nihil protulit, id. Fl. 15, 34: notus mihi nomine tantum, Hor. S. 1, 9, 3: apte dicere non elocutionis tantum genere constat, sed, etc., Quint. 11, 1, 7; so, non tantum ... sed, id. 9, 3, 28: nec tantum ... sed (etiam), id. 3, 8, 33; 9, 3, 78; 11, 2, 5.—So with unus (mostly post-Aug.; once in Cic.): excepit unum tantum: scire se nihil se scire, nihil amplius, Cic. Ac. 2, 23, 74: unum flumen tantum intererat, Caes. B. C. 3, 19: unum defuisse tantum superbiae, Liv. 6, 16, 5; 21, 50, 6; 34, 9, 5; Just. 8, 5, 5; Cels. 5, 28, 14; Tac. A. 15, 1; Plin. 9, 35, 58, § 120.—
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One possible way to render it:
Again, however, those who say that he was born barely [nude] as a mere man [tantum hominem] from Joseph, persevering in the servitude of former disobedience, are dying, not yet mingled with the Word of God the Father, nor perceiving freedom through the Son, just as he himself says: "If the Son sets you free, you will truly be free." (Against Heresies 3.19.1)
ANF translation:
But again, those who assert that He was simply [nude] a mere man [tantum hominem], begotten by Joseph, remaining in the bondage of the old disobedience, are in a state of death having been not as yet joined to the Word of God the Father, nor receiving liberty through the Son, as He does Himself declare: "If the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."(6)
I don't have Unger's more recent translation of book 3 of Adv. Haer.
Statistics: Posted by Peter Kirby — Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:57 pm