Haenchen says also
... so there is no need, according to him, that such prophecies are ex eventu. The same with Nero redivivus (according to me).
ETA: wait a minute, you (Giuseppe) use Haenchen's reasoning to prove the same referent in Rev and Mk, but this works, IIUC, only in the case where it is the persecution of christians, as it's assumed in the case of Rev, and not a Jewish national tragedy.
The Book of Revelation can give us a certain clue. It says in 13:12 that the “second beast” causes the inhabitants of the earth to make an image of the (first) beast, “and it was given to him to give the image of the beast a spirit of life, so that the image of the beast even spoke and caused all who did not worship the image of the beast to be killed”. Here it is obviously expected that the imperial cult will be enforced by force in the Roman Empire and that anyone who refuses it will be killed. In 13,17 f., Revelation expresses a similar expectation: anyone who does not bear the mark of the beast on his forehead or hand is not allowed to buy or sell - here, the emperor cult is enforced by means of an economic boycott.
Now it does not matter whether the Roman state actually considered such plans at the time. What is decisive is that those Christians for whom Revelation was written actually expected something of the kind described in Revelation. This gives us the right to assume - tentatively - a similar expectation in Mark 13: Rome will try to force the worship of the emperor - what should the Christians do then?
Now it does not matter whether the Roman state actually considered such plans at the time. What is decisive is that those Christians for whom Revelation was written actually expected something of the kind described in Revelation. This gives us the right to assume - tentatively - a similar expectation in Mark 13: Rome will try to force the worship of the emperor - what should the Christians do then?
... so there is no need, according to him, that such prophecies are ex eventu. The same with Nero redivivus (according to me).
ETA: wait a minute, you (Giuseppe) use Haenchen's reasoning to prove the same referent in Rev and Mk, but this works, IIUC, only in the case where it is the persecution of christians, as it's assumed in the case of Rev, and not a Jewish national tragedy.
Statistics: Posted by Prophanius — Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:51 pm